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May 4, 2017 0:33:29 GMT -8
Post by inkipolony on May 4, 2017 0:33:29 GMT -8
If you want to count in twelves in your everyday world, then you need numerals, words and applications: weights, measures, coinage etc.
I don't see any of these mentioned here apart from numerals.
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May 4, 2017 21:32:24 GMT -8
Post by Buffoonery on May 4, 2017 21:32:24 GMT -8
Quick question before I start, did you know that in dozenal, for a 'dozenal point' they use a semicolon? (42;6 dozenal = 50.5 decimal) --- Okay, so yes, I agree with this!- but with a few changes. In my website, I wrote about it all, including a calendar too. Here's a link to the "standard time": dozenal.weebly.com/standard-time.htmlThere should be 10 hours in a day, which means that each hour is twice as long. This may seem pointless, but if you do the same for minutes, seconds, etc. it's easier and the notation is more logical. It would look like this: 10 : 100 : 100 hours : minutes : ticks 100,000 ticks / day 10,000 ticks / hour 100 ticks / minute We can work our way backwards from our measurement of a day, and can calculate dozenally that our 'tick' measurement feels like 172.8 beats per decimal minute. www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY2ceXfW1FUWhen you get 100 of these, you get a minute, you get 100 minutes, you get an hour, 10 hours gets a day. It all carries nicely so that one tick before day's end, it would be: Ɛ:ƐƐ:ƐƐ one tick more and it's: 0:00:00 This feels much nicer than a decimal 'second', as a second seems to take forever. You literally can say, "one mississippi, two mississippi" to make one decimal second. But with a dozenal 'tick' it feels much more rhythmic. This system that I brought up is actually supported on most of the dozenal websites. Here take a look: dozenal.ae-web.ca/
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May 4, 2017 21:51:38 GMT -8
Post by Buffoonery on May 4, 2017 21:51:38 GMT -8
I also have a link on how standardised time in space would work. Imagine we keep our 10:100:100 format, and for every day, we add to an additional column to the left to appear like this: ᕍ0:0ᕍ:Ɛ:00:00 [era]: [dd]:[h]:[mm]:[ss] That's today, at 10pm. Weird eh? Look at how clean that is. This blew my mind when I first calculated using this system. I don't think I've seen this used on a dozenal site yet, but I've shown it to my friends and they loved it. This is how it works: --1) Go to a Unix Time Converter (http://www.onlineconversion.com/unix_time.htm) a. Put in the date you want to translate (eg. 03/01/2018 @ 4:02 :30) b. Press [Submit]. c. Copy the result. --2) Use a calculator (decimal) a. Paste your result into the calculator. b. Multiply it by 2.88 --3) Use a base converter - baseconvert.com/a. Paste your result into the Decimal row. b. Within the “Enter a new base” input, type “12”. c. Your Unix Dozenal Time is the number that is in the “base 12” row (eg. A2 1B 2 0300). If you get any strange numbers after the decimal, like “… 5.5343A0B62A68781B”, this is a second that was cut unevenly. You can just round that last second like this: A2 1B 2 1291.5343A0B62A68781B A2 1B 2 1292 This can be read as, A2 eras, 1B days, 2 hours, 12 minutes, 92 ticks (ᕍ2 eras, 1Ɛ days...) Which is, 2018, March 01, Thursday, 4:12AM Remember, there are 2.88 ticks per second, so that means the ticks are beating at 172.8 bpm. --- Anyways, I like to imagine in the future while we are just getting out of warp travel, we'd adjust our clocks to the Universal Galactic time (which would flow differently according to gravity differences in the universe). That would be neat to see in the future they'd look at the clock and see, 2Ɛ1__:Ɛ5__:0_:00:00 [era] : dd :h :mm:ss This translates to: 2136, May, 11. haha, hope you enjoyed reading! I'd love to hear if you've had any more efficient ideas.
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May 8, 2017 0:06:46 GMT -8
Post by Kanonier on May 8, 2017 0:06:46 GMT -8
Not everyone uses the semicolon as a dozenal point; it is not the accepted standard as no standard has been established. If we use [dz] as a marker for dozenal (for example) then 0.5 or 0,5 = [dz] 0.6 or 0,6.
I prefer the hour system as outlined above, but there are others, including the Dozenal Society of America, who favour the 'double-hour' system. Other units, such as length, can be affected by the choice depending on whether a circumference-based length unit is chosen or a unit-gravity based unit.
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May 12, 2017 23:04:04 GMT -8
Post by Buffoonery on May 12, 2017 23:04:04 GMT -8
"Not everyone uses the semicolon as a dozenal point; it is not the accepted standard as no standard has been established..." ___True, I guess I've seen it so often, it's been ingrained to me. "...the 'double-hour' system." ___I wish DSA had a search bar. I can't for the life of me find the "double-hour" system on their site. I think I'm a member of DSA, they send me newsletters and I've gotten featured on their newsletters more than once. They have my website in the bottom too, here's a screen shot ( prntscr.com/f7a4s4 ), they show my site ( dozenal.weebly.com ). The latest one had a topic I saw coming a mile away, it was about the sum of all whole numbers equalling -1/10 (dozenally). It was on Numberphile years ago, look up "1/12" into youtube, first video should be it, "ASTOUNDING: 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + ... = -1/12" One of these days, I should email them my ᕍ, Ɛ nomenclature for Dec and Elv, mainly for the purpose of adapting to seven segment displays. "... such as length, can be affected by the choice depending on whether a circumference-based length unit is chosen or a unit-gravity based unit." ___I'm not quite sure I follow. Could you elaborate? Sorry, it's probably simple.
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May 15, 2017 11:12:46 GMT -8
Post by Kanonier on May 15, 2017 11:12:46 GMT -8
The duor or biheure idea was in an early Bulletin of the DSA. The biheure was from a prposal by a Frenchman, Jean Essig, in his book Douze notre dix futur. Essig and others divided the Earth's circumference by powers of twelve. In one DSA proposal the linear unit was a "metron" equivalent of [dz] 3,8 inch, with a "dometron" of [dz] 3,8 ft.
If you choose a unit based on gravity=1 (unit gravity system) then one proposal ("TGM" by the DSGB) yields a unit of roughly 1 foot, using a time-unit based upon the usual hour; if the time-unit is based on a division of the full day, e.g. a duor, then the length-unit will be much longer. A lot of the current debates about these is on the Dozen Forum "Dozens on line" (http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php). I prefer the hour and a derived unit of about 1ft (systeme TGM, and the 'Grafut'), but there are others who have devised quite complicated schemes and names for the duor systems.
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May 16, 2017 3:32:04 GMT -8
Post by Calculator on May 16, 2017 3:32:04 GMT -8
I've looked at that DozensOnLine forum; not just dozen stuff there - linguistics, pyramids, Esperanto and all sorts of off-topic lost causes crap. And a lot of in-fighting. Some good ideas, but people pushing their favourite systems down your throat. The basic dozen forum is good for dozens system; you can ignore the rest; watch out for the bully if you're female!
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May 16, 2017 21:21:22 GMT -8
Post by Buffoonery on May 16, 2017 21:21:22 GMT -8
@kanonier Ah, thanks for the link. Haha, aww man, I tried to sign up on that forum years ago, I still can't get signed up, they require a manager to verify you. It's been been several years and multiple accounts... It still hasn't been verified. Because of this, I gave up on that site sadly. :(
@calculator Yeah, they should rename it to "Efficiency Hermits" lmao. I mean I'm the kind of guy who likes to talk about some of these new and efficient concepts, but yeah, when they get defensive about it, it's a lost cause. I accept some efficient tools, like for example, the Dvorak keyboard layout, which I absolutely do not regret; It's doubled my typing speed.
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May 19, 2017 22:38:36 GMT -8
Post by Kanonier on May 19, 2017 22:38:36 GMT -8
You should try the forum again, if you're interested in base twelve; there's a lot of good ideas there. There's some wordy folks, but you can ignore them!
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May 20, 2017 8:50:12 GMT -8
Post by Calculator on May 20, 2017 8:50:12 GMT -8
Yeah, you have to sign on; they don't allow posting by guests - well, they did for a while in some subforums, but one of the big noises complained.
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May 21, 2017 21:02:10 GMT -8
Post by Buffoonery on May 21, 2017 21:02:10 GMT -8
Signed up on DozensOnline today...pardon my cheesy name, but I think it suits what I like to do with the dozenal system: "Thank you HowDozItWork. Your registration has been successful. The administrator wishes to preview all new registered accounts before posting permissions are granted. The administrator has been notified of your registration." It's the same message I used to have years ago. I must have created about 4 accounts now. The admins just don't respond. My Status: prntscr.com/falojs
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May 21, 2017 23:59:22 GMT -8
Post by Calculator on May 21, 2017 23:59:22 GMT -8
Signed up on DozensOnline today...pardon my cheesy name, but I think it suits what I like to do with the dozenal system: "Thank you HowDozItWork. Your registration has been successful. The administrator wishes to preview all new registered accounts before posting permissions are granted. The administrator has been notified of your registration." It's the same message I used to have years ago. I must have created about 4 accounts now. The admins just don't respond. My Status: prntscr.com/falojsWell you're listed as latest member on the home page.
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May 22, 2017 9:20:58 GMT -8
Post by Buffoonery on May 22, 2017 9:20:58 GMT -8
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